 1040 - Bef 1106 (< 65 years)
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| Name |
MARMION Robert |
| Birth |
1040 |
Fontenay-le-Marmion, Calvados, Normandie, France  |
| Gender |
Male |
| Death |
Bef 1106 |
Fontenay-le-Marmion, Calvados, Normandy, France |
| Notes |
- Henry I took control of Normandy in 1106, and at that time Robert was recently dead. See below.
Very little is known about Robert. Stapleton wrote (p.xcvi):
In Domesday Book the surname "Marmion" does not occur, and we first meet with it in England in a List of Tenants of lands in the county of Lincoln of the time of Henry I. compiled between the years 1106 and 1120.
In that list appear both a Robert and a Roger, but these are apparently the son and grandson of the subject of this profile.
Perhaps the most important modern interpretation of the evidence is still derived from J. H. Round, who showed, based on prior work by Stapleton, how Robert Marmion preceded the better attested Roger Marmion, and that their lands seemed to represent one major part of the inheritance of Urse d'Abitot, including the lands held by his brother Robert the Dispensator (or Bursar).
At the time of the Domesday Survey, Robert the Dispensator held from the Bishop 17 and 1/2 hides and later, Robert (not Roger) Marmion held 7 in the Worcester Survey, with Walter de Beauchamp held the rest of Urse's holdings. p.175
Round speculates that Urse d'Abetot may have had two daughters, one the wife of Walter de Beauchamp and the other married to Robert Marmion, and when his son Roger forfeited, his sister pressed her claim. In Domesday, both a Robert and a Walter hold of Urse in Worcestershire. (Round, p.176)
Concerning the origins of Robert, Stapleton wrote (p.xcvi):
The caput of the Honour of Robert Marmion in Normandy was the castle of Fontenay in the Bailiwick of the Oximin or Hyémois near the river Laize, and he had likewise large possessions in the pays de Cinglais, together with a fief in the Bessin held of the see of Bayeux. Before the conquest of England [1066], in the time of Hugh Bishop of Bayeux, Ralph Tesson gave twelve acres in pago Baiocensi, adjoining the river Orne, and opposite the west front of the abbey, to the monks of Fontenay, which land he had exchanged with William Marmion ; and in the same pays in the year in which Henry, King of the English, reduced Normandy under his subjection [1106], Hadeguisa, the wife of Robert Marmion, upon being made a nun in the church of the Holy Trinity of Caen, gave to that church, and to the sisterhood, the land which she had in St. Georges and in Jurques, and the mill of La Hoiste and the Parket in its entirety, as Robert Marmion had held it on the day that he was alive and dead, by the concession of her sons, namely, Roger Marmion and Helto and Manasses, who, at the same time, together with their mother, placed the gift upon the altar.
Among the witnesses for Hadewis of this gift was a William Marmion and also Robert son of Robert Fitz-Erneis, and Gersenda his mother. According to Stapleton, "Gersenda named above was the daughter of Robert Marmjon, and with her husband affixed her signature to a charter in favour of the abbey of Fontenay in the time of William the Conqueror".
Research Notes
From Round. A survey of Worcestershire, conducted during the reign of Henry I, after 1108, to resolve a dispute between the Sheriff and the Church, compared hides held with those recorded in the Domesday Book. (Round, p.173) In the Domesday Survey for Cropetorn cum Neothetune:
the Abbot of Evesham holding 19,
the Monks holding 15,
Robert Despencer holding 11, and
Urso holding 6.
Compared to the Worcester Survey in the manor of Croppethorne
the Abbot of Evesham held 19 hides,
the Church of Worcester held 14,
Walter de Beauchamp held 9, and
Robert Marmion held 7 (24 hides).
This shows a Robert where a Roger Marmion is later found, "if", as Round writes several times, "we can trust the text".
The Northamptonshire Survey, conducted somewhere in the reigns of Henry I - Henry II, says in Pokebroc Rogerus Marmium i hid. et i. virg. de eodem feudo. and In Therninge Rogerus Marmioun iii parvas virg. de feodo Burgi. (Round, p.217) Polebrook, a township of five hides, was held at Domesday by Eustace "the Sheriff", 1 and 1/4 hides in capite, and 3 and 3/4 hides as a tenant of Peterborough Abbey; at the time of the Northamptonshire Survey Walter "de Clopton" holds 2/3 of Eustace's Peterborough Abbey property and Roger Marmion holds the rest. (Round, pp.222-3.)
At the time of the Lindsey Survey, dated by Round to between 1115-1118, Robert Marmion held 11 carucates at Winteringham of Walter, Gilbert's son, and Roger Marmion held 1 carucate in capite. These 12 carucates had been held at Domesday by "Robertus homo Gilberti" of Walter de Gant. (Round, p.190)
Circa 1146, Ranulph earl of Chester granted Coventreia to Robert Marmion in fee; the deed is endorsed Magna Charta maneri domini Marmyon de Conventre and included Lodelowe venilla among others.[1] This would suggest that Robert reached his majority around 1146, so born around 1125. Richard de Canvilla, was a witness to the grant.[1] Richard de Canvilla was Millicent Rethel's second husband. Another witness was a William Redzai',[1] perhaps a representative of his mother's family, the Rethels?
Henry VI inspected and confirmed to Philip Marmion:
the charter of Henry I granting Robert Marmion freewarren in Warwickshire (specially at Tamworth) as his father had;
the charter of Henry II, dated by Round to 1155; and
the charter of Henry III. (Round, p.192)
Sources
↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 The National Archives Website: Discovery: DR10/256, 188 - Shakespeare Birthplace Trust: DR10 - GREGORY OF STIVICHALL: Warwickshire: Coventry: DR10/256 - DEEDS AND PAPERS, http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/c67ee918-1ec2-4e3d-876f-c8d202bba150. 20 March 2015.
Keats-Rohan, K.S.B. Domesday Descendants: A proopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166 (Boydell Press : Woodbridge, Suffolk, 2002). p. 1032.
Stapleton, Thomas. Magni Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniæ Sub Regibus Angliæ. Opera Thomæ Stapleton: Tomus Ii. Londini: Soc. Antiq. Londinensis, 1844. https://archive.org/details/MagniRotuliScaccariiNormanniaeSubRegibusAngliae.Volume2.1844
Feudal England Historical Studies on the XIth and XIIth Centuries|first=John Horace|last=Round, MA|publication-place=London|publisher=Swan Sonnenschein & Co Ltd.|year=1895 Reprint 1909|accessdate=22 March 2015|url=https://archive.org/stream/cu31924014477271|repository=The Internet Archive
Major-General The Hon G Wrottesley, comp., Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls collected from the Pleadings in the Various Courts of Law AD 1200 to 1500 from the Original Rolls, ( 1905), accessed 29 August 2014, https://archive.org/stream/pedigreesfromple00wrotrich#page/n5/mode/2up .
See also:
Charles Cawley (October 2020): MedLands, Marmion, 3 Robert Marmion [I].
Self-published family trees, https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/6835128/person/-472574855/facts
Memoirs of Chesters of Chicheley pedigree of Boteler and Marmion.
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| Person ID |
I60191 |
Freeman-Smith |
| Last Modified |
27 Jan 2026 |
| Family |
UNKNOWN Hawise, b. 1042, Normandy, France d. Aft 1106, Caen, Normandy, France (Age > 65 years) |
| Marriage |
1060 |
Fontenay le Marmion, Normandy, France |
| Children |
| | 1. MARMION Roger, b. Fontenay-le-Marmion, Normandy, France d. Bef 1130 [Father: natural] [Mother: natural] |
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| Family ID |
F26713 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
27 Jan 2026 |
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