BELLÊME Yves

Abt 0935 - 0997  (62 years)

• Name	BELLÊME Yves
  Birth	Abt 0935	Oise, Picardy, France
  Gender	Male
  Death	0997	Belleme, , Perche, France
  Notes	Progenitor of the House of Belleme, Seigneur of Belleme[1] Yves de Bellême (from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - This article is based in part on a translation of the article fr:Yves Ier de Bellême from the French Wikipedia on 26 June 2012) "Yves de Bellême (died c. 1005), Seigneur de Bellême, the first known progenitor of the House of Bellême. "Yves was probably the son of Yves de Creil,[a][1] one of those who saved young Duke Richard I from death or mutilation at hand of King Louis IV of France.[2] Yves de Bellême held the castle and lands of Bellême, of the King of France, as well as the Sonnois and part of the Passais, both held of the Count of Maine.[3] That he held part of the march-lands of Passais is known from his having given abbot Gauzlin of Fleury Abbey the lands of Magny-le-Désert.[1] "His wife was named Godeheut and although her parentage is unknown, she was the sister of Seinfroy, Bishop of Le Mans.[4][5] Yves was the founder of a church dedicated to the Virgin Mary in his castle of Bellême and endowed it with a church in the Sonoisis, another at Vieux Bellême plus a vill and three other churches in the Hiesmois.[1] Yves died sometime after 1005.[6] "Family - Yves de Bellême and his wife Godeheut had five children. Yves and Godehilde are directly attested as the parents of Guillaume and Avesgaud. The other children are documented by their connection to one of these two siblings. The chronology of the children of Yves and Godehilde is uncertain because much of what is known comes from charters which can only be dated to within certain ranges. William of Bellême (960/5 - 1028), succeeded his father as seigneur de Bellême.[4][5] Yves de Bellême (d. 1030), Abbot of Fleury.[5] Avesgaud de Bellême (d. 1036), Bishop of Le Mans.[5] Hildeburg, abt. 1006 married Aimon, Seigneur de Chateau-du-Loir.[5] Godehilde,[5] married Hamon-aux-Dents or Hamon Le Dentu, he was the 1st Baron of Le Creully and he was Lord over Creully, Torigni, Évrecy & St. Scolasse-sur-Sarthe, but he lost all his lands, after trying to kill William the bastard, in the battle of Val-ès-Dunes, Normandy, France NOTE: Yves de Creil and Yves de Bellême are confused by several sources and thought to be the same person by some. Yves de Creil, who was instrumental in saving young Richard I of Normandy would not chronologically be possible to be the same as Yves de Bellême, the subject of this article, who died c. 1005. Geoffrey White believed Yves de Criel was probably the father of Yves de Bellême, which was also accepted by all the French writers, but was of the opinion it should not be stated as fact as it was by Prentout. See: Geoffrey H. White, The First House of Bellême, TRHS, Vol. 22 (1940), pp. 70-71. Count of Alencon and Domfront. Had Alencon and Belleme as gift from Richard II, Duke of Normandy. Had Balistarius as gift from Louis IV, King of France.[2] Count Yves de Bellême (c940-993)[3] was born to Ivo I (c912-961) and Geile de Creil (c912-945). He married Godeheut or Godchilde de Pontieu, sister of Seinfroy.[4] What in more modern days has been known as the Duchy of Alençon, was formerly held by the Seigneurs de Bellesme, who became in course of time, Counts of Perche and finally Counts of Alençon. They ruled over the whole of Perche, Seez, Alençon, Carbonnois, etc., and though a fierce, proud, warlike, and often cruel race, were gifted with the chivalric virtues of valor and generosity. Ivres, Seigneur de Bellesme, and his wife Godehilde, flourished about 950. He died in 995. His son, "Princeps" Guillaume I, Compte de Bellesme and d'Alençon, succeeded in 995.[5] Supplementary profile data on Yves II Seigneur De Bellesme and Alençon De Creil collected from the well-documented website of the Ashe Family[6] Research Notes Yves de Criel and Yves de Bellême are confused by several sources and thought to be the same person by some. Yves de Criel, who was instrumental in saving young Richard I of Normandy would not chronologically be possible to be the same as Yves de Bellême, the subject of this article, who died c. 1005. Geoffrey White believed Yves de Criel was probably the father of Yves de Bellême, which was also accepted by all the French writers, but was of the opinion it should not be stated as fact as it was by Prentout. See: Geoffrey H. White, The First House of Bellême, TRHS, Vol. 22 (1940), pp. 70-71. References ^ Jump up to: a b c Geoffrey H. White, The First House of Bellême, Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 73 Jump up ^ The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumieges, Orderic Vatalis, and Robert of Torigni, Vol. I, ed. & trans. Elisabeth M.C. van Houts (Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1992) pp. 103, 105 Jump up ^ Kathleen Thompson, 'Robert of Bellême Reconsidered', Anglo-Norman Studies XIII: Proceedings of the Battle Conference, 1990, Ed. Marjorie Chibnall (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, UK, 1991), p. 264 ^ Jump up to: a b Geoffrey H. White, The First House of Bellême, Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 72 ^ Jump up to: a b c d e f Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilband 4 (Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, Marburg, Germany, 1989), Tafel 636 Jump up ^ Geoffrey H. White, The First House of Bellême, Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, Fourth Series, Vol. 22 (1940), p. 74 & n. 2 Lord of Bellême, living 1005. Yves was the first known lord of Bellême, south of Normandy, a powerful lordship during the late tenth and eleventh centuries which eventually passed to heiresses in the late eleventh century. He was succeeded at some time after 1005 by his son Guillaume, and his son Yves II also became lord of Bellême (in succession to Guillaume's son Robert). As discussed below in the Commentary section, the origin of this family is a difficult problem which has not yet been definitively settled. Date of Death: After 1005. Yves gave Magny-le-Désert to Gauzlin, abbot of Fleury, who did not become abbot until 1005 ["Ivo Belesmensis, ..., hujus dilecti Dei Haudquaquam immemor extitit, Magniacum cedendo illi. Quo tamen defuncto, Willelmus, ejus filius, ..." Vita Gauzlini, c. 9, 282; White (1940): 73-4] Place of Death: Unknown. Entered by Varnell-40 19:21, 11 March 2015 (EDT) Yves de Creil Birthdate: circa 940 Birthplace: Creil, Oise, Picardie, France Death: Died 1005 in Alencon, Orne, Normandy, France Immediate Family: Son of Fulcoin de Creil and Rothais de Corbonais Husband of Godehildis d'Alencon Father of Avesgaud de Bellême; Yves de Bellême; Guillaume I, 'Talvas' de Belleme, seigneur d'Alençon; Hildeburge de Bellême and Godehildis de Bellême Brother of BILEHENDIS de Creil and EREMBURGIS de Creil Occupation: Balistier, de Louis IV, Comte, de Bellême, Sieur, d'Alençon, de Sées, de Domfront, du Roi, de Château-Gontier, Seigneur de Creil and Belleme, Comte d'Alencon Yves de Creil (922-1005) must have been married a first time to person unknown. However, we do know she gave him a daughter: Hildeburge de Bellême b. c0975. We duly note that Hildeburg was born in the middle of the marriage to Godehildis. Ives married a second time to Godehildis. She gave Ivo four more children: a. Guillaume I, Talvas de Bellême b. c0970 b. Ives (Ivo III) de Bellême b. c970 c. Avesgaud de Bellême b. c960 d. Godehildis de Bellême b. c0979 Immediate Family Godehildis d'Alencon wife Avesgaud de Bellême son Yves (Ivo III) de Bellême son Guillaume I, 'Talvas' de Belleme... son Hildeburge de Bellême daughter Godehildis de Bellême daughter Fulcoin de Creil father Rothais de Corbonais mother BILEHENDIS de Creil brother EREMBURGIS de Creil sister There is no documentation to support parentage of Yves, either Fulcoin or Rothais. There is no documentation to support Hildeburge as the offspring of Gordeschilda. Ref http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/yves0000.htm Wikipedia says: Falsely attributed father: Fulcoin. Falsely attributed mother: Rothais. (While most of the standard sources have avoided this error, it can be occasionally found in internet genealogies.) As has been pointed out before [e.g., White (1940): 91-5], the fact that Yves de Bellême was not among those consenting to the Abbayette charter makes it difficult (but not decisively so) to make Yves de Bellême a full brother of bishop Seifrid, since if the latter had some interest in the property which required his consent, then it is likely that the former did also. Thus, White (1940): 91-5, makes Seifrid a brother of Godehilde, wife of Yves. Keats-Rohan (1996, 1997), setting aside an earlier opinion that Yves and Seifird might have been full brothers [Keats-Rohan (1994): 14], suggested that they were in fact uterine brothers (which would get rid of the difficulty mentioned above), and conjectured that the parents of Yves de Bellême may have been as follows: Proposed father (very conjectural): Hervé, count of Mortagne. Proposed mother (very conjectural): [Hildeburge], daughter of Raoul II, viscount of Le Mans. These proposed relationships are a part of a lengthy discussion which takes place across the three papers of Keats-Rohan cited below, but no direct evidence can be cited in support of either of these relationships, and in fact some of the relationships which lead up to these suggestions are themselves conjectural. There is no direct evidence that Raoul II had a daughter named Hildeburge (whose name is itself a conjecture for onomastic reasons), nor that Hervé was married to a daughter of Raoul. Although these conjectures form a good stimulus for further research, they cannot be accepted without further evidence. Conjectured sister (plausible): Hildeburge, m. Albert, brother of Anno, abbot of Jumièges and Saint-Mesmin de Micy. (parents of Albert, abbot of Saint-Mesmin de Micy) In a charter of 1023×7, abbot Albert of Saint-Mesmin de Micy donates property in Bellême from his maternal inheritance ["Ego Albertus, abbas abbatiae sanctorum Stephani prothomartyris et Christi confessoris Maximini, ..., erat michi quidam alodus ex materna hereditate, ..., dedi pro remedio anime meae filiique mei Arnulfi, Turonensis archiepiscopi, et parentum meorum, ... Est autem ipse alodus in pago Bethlemensi, quem vocant Domna Maria, ..." Cart. Jumièges, 24 (39); also in Bry (1620), 51]. This confirms the Bellême origin of Albert's mother Hildeburge, and she is often identified with Hildeburge, daughter of Yves, and assigned consecutive marriages to Albert and Hamon, in that order [Depoin (1909), 156-8; Head (1990), 227 n. 126]. However, as is discussed on the page of Hildeburge, daughter of Yves, this identification is not chronologically feasible. In fact, the elder Albert's wife Hildeburge appears to be about a generation earlier than the other Hildeburge, daughter of Yves and wife of Hamon. A close relationship between the two Hildeburges is a definite possibility, and Keats-Rohan, following Louise, would make the elder Hildeburge a sister of Yves de Bellême [Keats-Rohan (1996), 17, 27-8, 20 & n. 40, citing Louise (1990-1), 1: 161 (not seen by me)]. * Several BELLÊME profile data (fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm) (SEIGNEURS d'ALENÇON (SEIGNEURS de BELLÊME) accessed by Varnell-40 11:00, 10 March 2015 (EDT) House of Creil and Paris Region Nobility Accessed by Varnell-40 15:24, 13 April 2015 (EDT). Argument against parentage (http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/yves0000.htm) supports Yves & Gordeschilda as the origin of the Belleme family. Accessed by Varnell-40 06:35, 12 March 2015 (EDT) Seigneur Yves II DE BELLÊME de Domfront, House of Bellême There are two sides to this coin. One side of good genealogy folks says that Yves I de Creil is the father of Yves de Bellême, the progenator of the House of Bellême. The other side of the coin are just as good genealogy folks that deny any relationship between Yves and Yves. This writer is going to go with the first camp until proven wrong.[7][8][9] Family Members Parents: Father: Yves II Seigneur De Bellesme and Alençon De Creil+ Seigneur Yves I of Creil and Belesme. Born: 912, Creil, Beauvaise, France. Died: 961 aged 49. Another name for Yves was Ivo. Mother: Geile Spouses/Children: Ives of Belleme, count of Belleme and Alençon, one of the biggest and the richest lords of his time, married a Lady named Godechilde, born c.931 in Alençon[10][11][12][13]. They had three sons and two daughters: Guillaume, of whom hereafter. Ives, who headed the branch of the lords of Chateau-Gontier. Avesgaud, Bishop of Mans. Hildeburge, wife of Hamon of Hamelin, lord de Chateau-du-Loir. Godechilde, whose marriage is unknown. Ives married Godehildis. [14] Note: Profession : Comte de Bellême (constituâe pour lui par Hugues Capet), Seigneur d'Alenðcon & Domfront vers 940. Dâecáes : ou vers 993. Note: comte de BELLEME (comté créé pour lui par Hugues Capet), seigneur d'ALENCON et de DOMFRONT Sources ↑ Entered by Barbara White. ↑ Entered by Ellen Blackwell. ↑ Extract from Find a Grave further identifies his title as "Count." ↑ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_de_Bell%C3%AAme ↑ Extract from "Records of the Ashe Family" by Walter Ashe (1876). (http://www.ashefamily.info/ashefamily/583.htm) ↑ http://www.ashefamily.info/ashefamily/583.htm ↑ Title: Généalogie ascendante de Jeanne de Bournonville épouse de Jehan de Habart, Address: http://fjaunais.free.fr/h0mayenne.htm, Url: http://fjaunais.free.fr/habart1.htm Abbrev: Habart & Bournonville Families Author: Compiler: Philippe & Sophie Jaunais Page: Yves d'Alencon, seigneur de Domfront, Yves de Creil, usually called Yves de Bellême, brother of Sigenfroi, bishop of Mans ↑ Title: Wikipedia The Free Encyclopedia, Url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Abbrev: Wikipedia Free Encyclopedia Page: In documents he goes by various names: Ives de Creil, Ives de Belesme, Evas, etc. Apparently, his original name was Ives de Creil, but because of his land holdings he became known as Belesme. His parentage is in dispute. On the Internet one finds several parents, and none of them have been confirmed. Therefore it is generally considered that the House of Belesme stems from him. ↑ Title: Jim Weber, Location: RootsWeb.com, Url: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=jweber&surname=Lovaine%2C+Eleanor+%28Alianore%29 Abbrev: Weber, Jim Author: Jim Weber, Compiler: Jim Weber Publication: April 6, 2004 Page: Yves Seigneur de Creil & BELLEME ↑ Title: Bradley/Opp Ancestry, Location: RootsWeb.com, Url: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=hwbradley&surname=NORWICH%2C+Katherine+de Abbrev: Bradley, Hal Author: Hal Bradley, Compiler: Hal Bradley, May 18, 2004 Page: m 951 ↑ Title: Leo van de Pas: Leo's Genealogics Website, Address: Canberra, Australia, Url: http://www.genealogics.org/index.php Abbrev: Leo van de Pas. A contributor to soc.genealogy.medieval Page: no date/place ↑ Title: Europäische Stammtafeln (Schwennicke edition): Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten Abbrev: Europäische Stammtafeln (Schwennicke edition) Author: Dettlev Schwennicke, ed, based on the work of Wilhelm Karl Prinz zu Isenburg Publication: Verlag von J.A. Stargardt, Berlin, Germany, 1978, 1995 Page: Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg, Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), Reference: III 687; no date/place ↑ Title: Wikipedia The Free Encyclopedia, Url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Abbrev: Wikipedia Free Encyclopedia Page: A man named Guillaume de Jumieges wrote about Ives, referring to his full name as Yovon pere de Guillaume de Belesme. He married a woman named Godchilda (or a variation of that name) and had five known children: Guillaume de Belleme (a.k.a. William), Ives, Avesgaud (who later became Bishop of Mans), Hildeburgis, and Godchilda. ↑ Cawley, Charles. Medieval Lands: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families. Hosted online by the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG), accessed 2023, Seigneurs d'Alençon. Roderick W. Stuart, "Royalty for Commoners." Source of "Note" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bell%C3%AAme) accessed by Varnell-40 17:15, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
  Person ID	I60015	Freeman-Smith
  Last Modified	27 Jan 2026

  
  

  Father	CREIL Fulk,   b. Abt 0917, Creil, Oise, Picardie, France d. 0983, Mortagne Au Perche, Orne, Normandie, France (Age 66 years)
  Relationship	natural
  Mother	NORMANDIE Rothais,   b. 0905, Normandy, France d. 0961, Mortagne Au Perche, Orne, Normandie, France (Age ~ 56 years)
  Relationship	natural
  Family ID	F26647	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	UNKNOWN Godehilde,   b. Abt 0950, Ponthieu, Ain, Rhone-Alpes, France d. Aft 1005 (Age > 56 years)
  Marriage	0950	Alencon, Bell, Orne, France
  Children	1. BELLÊME Guillaume,   b. Abt 0965, France d. Abt 1028, Orne, Normandy, France (Age 63 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]
  Family ID	F26646	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	27 Jan 2026